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. 31% expect mitt romney to win the debate. and presumably that expectation will color the way those viewers watch that debate. >> yeah. it could. i mean, maybe this is the one risk maybe the biggest risk for the obama campaign that if the bar is set that high, if there's sort of an even match, if romney kind of holds his own, isn't clearly blown out of the water or anything like that, that people say he exceeded expectations. so what looked like a draw ends up being interpreted by the viewers or the media, or if the media is looking to sell the horse race angles, maybe they start portraying the draw as a romney win. the expectations for his performance were so low, kennedy outdebated romney but the effect of that was mogfied because the expectations were so low. that might be the biggest risk here for the obama people that the expectations of the voters and probably the press too that obama will win. so maybe nothing short of a clear win can be a little problematic for them. >> let's consider what some conservatives are saying
. 31% expect mitt romney to win the debate. and presumably that expectation will color the way those viewers watch that debate. >> yeah. it could. i mean, maybe this is the one risk maybe the biggest risk for the obama campaign that if the bar is set that high, if there's sort of an even match, if romney kind of holds his own, isn't clearly blown out of the water or anything like that, that people say he exceeded expectations. so what looked like a draw ends up being interpreted by the...
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romney is a good debator. i'm just okay. but what i'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to do to keep the country growing and restore security for hard-working americans. that's what people are going to be listening for. that's the debate that you deserve. >> a new national washington post poll of likely voters shows president obama polling at 49% and mitt romney at 47% but among likely voters in the swing states, president obama leads mitt romney by 11 points. 52%-41%. tonight the forecast is president obama will within 320 electoral college votes. joining me now is steve and karen. karen, the expectation game has gotten really out of hand this time. finally chris christie, for whatever reason, just kind of gave up and stated the obvious and said well, of course. you know, mitt romney has to be the big winner on this first debate. >> well, i think he was like look, let me keep my credibility in check because he's been watching what has happened to congressman ryan over the
romney is a good debator. i'm just okay. but what i'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to do to keep the country growing and restore security for hard-working americans. that's what people are going to be listening for. that's the debate that you deserve. >> a new national washington post poll of likely voters shows president obama polling at 49% and mitt romney at 47% but among likely voters in the swing states, president obama leads mitt romney by...
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governor romney is a good debater. i'm just okay. >> we know both sides are playing this au shuck, i'm just okay. i don't know how i'm going to perform. the president -- >> he's just the president. >> he's been working very hard. he may not be rehearsing zingers but we know, for example, just on the tax loophole question, that paul ryan stumbled and stammered through when on fox news yesterday, there are openings available but the problem, at least that we're hearing, chris, from the obama team, is they're worried his answers will be too long and not crisp and concise. >> well, you know, having watched the president both when he was a candidate for president and as a candidate in the primaries, he's -- he has a tendency to filibuster his answers and kind of -- they kind of meander. i think his debate team is advising correctly to keep things focused and tight if you have a debate format where there's no time limits. the bigger question here is, if the romney campaign is truly focused on zingers, this could be be a deba
governor romney is a good debater. i'm just okay. >> we know both sides are playing this au shuck, i'm just okay. i don't know how i'm going to perform. the president -- >> he's just the president. >> he's been working very hard. he may not be rehearsing zingers but we know, for example, just on the tax loophole question, that paul ryan stumbled and stammered through when on fox news yesterday, there are openings available but the problem, at least that we're hearing, chris,...
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romney won the debate. last night romney was more skilled. it doesn't change the policies. >> ezra, will the strategy work in the next two debates that heavy here? will this vague strategy work with foreign policy and the next debate beyond that? >> i think that the obama team is going to be more ready for what romney's able to bring to the debate than they were in this one. they'll be prepared for romney to walk in and tell his credentials. romney will change up his strategy. in general first debates are lopsided. the incumbent tends to recover a little bit in the second debate. whether we'll follow that trend line is anybody's guess. >> thank you, ezra. appreciate it. now to the third person on stage at the debates last night, you. yes, you didn't have a vocal response, but let me tell you, every moment people like you were chiming in. twitter reports today that it was the most tweeted event in u.s. politics generating over 10 million tweets in 90 minutes. perspective, that means just six years, but now some critics say that the twitter exp
romney won the debate. last night romney was more skilled. it doesn't change the policies. >> ezra, will the strategy work in the next two debates that heavy here? will this vague strategy work with foreign policy and the next debate beyond that? >> i think that the obama team is going to be more ready for what romney's able to bring to the debate than they were in this one. they'll be prepared for romney to walk in and tell his credentials. romney will change up his strategy. in...
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i think in the debates romney has two big problems that he's got to try to overcome. one is mathematics. he's got to show what loophole he's going to close. the second is authenticity. he's got to show that authentically he's someone that cares about average working people. he hasn't done both. he's losing ground because of both problems. >> when you look at the new gallup poll, be for example, it shows that the majority of americans think that the president is a better candidate for the middle class. 53% for president obama, thinking he's better for the middle class. romney, 43. and then you go to the president, who will the president do more to favor? middle class, wealthy, 66% say middle class. 17% say wealthy. who will mitt romney do more to favor? 35% say middle class, 57% say wealthy. how does romney overcome this overwhelming view that he is going to serve the wealthy and he doesn't serve or care about the middle class? >> i think romney has to be able to be accessible, number one, during the debate, as robert mentioned. but he also has to have a conversation w
i think in the debates romney has two big problems that he's got to try to overcome. one is mathematics. he's got to show what loophole he's going to close. the second is authenticity. he's got to show that authentically he's someone that cares about average working people. he hasn't done both. he's losing ground because of both problems. >> when you look at the new gallup poll, be for example, it shows that the majority of americans think that the president is a better candidate for the...
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romney campaign co-share will be here to preview the debate. we'll also talk to debar wasser man shultz about what's at stake for the president. >>> is it the spirit of america? a feisty debate for elizabeth warren and scott brown. both struggled on basic answers on washington. scalia and lugar. good morning from littleton, colorado, just outside of denver in the all-important denver suburbs. the swingiest part of the state. it's tuesday, october 2nd, 2012. i'm chloyce talbott. mitt romney landed in colorado last night and scored the endorsement of the big guy. the legendary quarterback and now executive vice president of football operations john elway. it was the only scheduled talk. it was a stealth bomber in the background there. romney tried to tamp down expectations in the back. >> people want to know who is going to win? who is going to score the punches and who is going to make the biggest difference in the arguments they make? in my view, it's not so much winning or losing or even the people themselves. it's about something bigger than
romney campaign co-share will be here to preview the debate. we'll also talk to debar wasser man shultz about what's at stake for the president. >>> is it the spirit of america? a feisty debate for elizabeth warren and scott brown. both struggled on basic answers on washington. scalia and lugar. good morning from littleton, colorado, just outside of denver in the all-important denver suburbs. the swingiest part of the state. it's tuesday, october 2nd, 2012. i'm chloyce talbott. mitt...
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today just a few hours before the debate started. romney did his debate prep in denver. when go to 5,000 feet and you only have a few hours to adjust, i don't know. maybe -- >> bret: so again, the former vice president said it was the amount do you do. bob woodward, who published a behind the scenes book about president obama has another theory. >> something happened. maybe in foreign affairs, they got some intelligence report or something -- who knows? but i think as the onion gets peeled on this, we'll find that something happened in his presidential or personal life that distracted him. >> bret: just a look back, you may remember president obama cracked one liners at the white house correspondence dinner right after giving the green light for the osama bin laden raid. >>> the air traffic controllers union and the denver airport control tower may have some communication issues as governor romney's plane was preparing to go wheels up from denver this morning. the pilot announced on the speakers that the air traffic controllers in the tower were congratulating the govern
today just a few hours before the debate started. romney did his debate prep in denver. when go to 5,000 feet and you only have a few hours to adjust, i don't know. maybe -- >> bret: so again, the former vice president said it was the amount do you do. bob woodward, who published a behind the scenes book about president obama has another theory. >> something happened. maybe in foreign affairs, they got some intelligence report or something -- who knows? but i think as the onion gets...
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>> we did hear romney did a full debate dress rehearsal yesterday. and we're also told he's been practicing some zingers. and as you heard president obama saying don't necessarily expect any zingers. we learn he's working on keeping answers brief. but how important is it to have that moment, that line that gets replaying over and over the next day. >> i think it's more important to sort of attack with a knife on the economy and on foreign policy of what's happened the last three weeks which haven't been a good three weeks for the president. i think romney will try to unnerve the president by challenging him directly on this. saying you failed to lead these last three weeks and your vision for the economy is just wrong and try to get under his skin that way. i don't think obama is very flappable. but in terms of these are your policies, they don't work. we tried likable. now we need competent, he's probably going to try to do that. >> we all remember the zingers. i knew jack kennedy. we remember those things. but ultimately voters do they take away a
>> we did hear romney did a full debate dress rehearsal yesterday. and we're also told he's been practicing some zingers. and as you heard president obama saying don't necessarily expect any zingers. we learn he's working on keeping answers brief. but how important is it to have that moment, that line that gets replaying over and over the next day. >> i think it's more important to sort of attack with a knife on the economy and on foreign policy of what's happened the last three...
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universally we were said, look, romney won the debate. no question about it. what are the republicans saying? money is coming in and enthusiasm on the ground when people are saying will you come and register voters than they were 24 hours ago. this helps romney with the base, republican energy, grass roots effort and republican money. one wha are the democrats saying? they say the president better show up next time and hopes his staff takes him in the room and say you need to care about this, you need to be passionate. you need to call governor romney when he leaves you openings and you need to show people you care and want to be there. wolf, here's the key question, we know what will give republicans energy, but also going into the debate romney was down a handful in florida, handful or more in virginia, handful or more in ohio where you just showed the president moments ago in wisconsin. come to the electoral map, this is the big question. first of three debates, gives republicans energy at a time many of them were beginning to worry about the top of the tic
universally we were said, look, romney won the debate. no question about it. what are the republicans saying? money is coming in and enthusiasm on the ground when people are saying will you come and register voters than they were 24 hours ago. this helps romney with the base, republican energy, grass roots effort and republican money. one wha are the democrats saying? they say the president better show up next time and hopes his staff takes him in the room and say you need to care about this,...
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>> no, no, governor romney's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> president obama talking about zingers and trying to manage expectations for the debate. charles and ross are back to talk about whether that's a good strategy. i have a poll here about who's likely to win the debate and very clearly, people think that obama will, 55% to 31%. yet, i would say that the favorite really ought to be mitt romney, purely because he spent most of the year debating against very good debaters like newt gingrich and rick santorum and others. they were very capable opponents on a debate stage. barack obama hasn't done this for four years. so i would think the advantage would definitely be with the apparent underdog, a, because people don't think he's going to win and i think he may well win that first debate and secondly, because he's the more experienced debater. >> well, i think i would caution you a little bit. i think the president, when he has given kind of press interviews, that is a form of being pressed on things so maybe you're not deba
>> no, no, governor romney's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> president obama talking about zingers and trying to manage expectations for the debate. charles and ross are back to talk about whether that's a good strategy. i have a poll here about who's likely to win the debate and very clearly, people think that obama will, 55% to 31%. yet, i would say that the favorite really ought to be mitt romney, purely because he spent most of the year debating against very good debaters like...
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governor romney, he's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> nbc's chris tin welker is live and joins us from las vegas not far from henderson, nevada, where the president is preparing for wednesday night. good afternoon, kristin. the last time i heard such a chorus of lowering expectations was when pinklynn thomas got into the ring with tyson only for tyson to land a flurry of 16 punches. is this more about avoiding embarrassment as opposed to landing a killer blow? >> reporter: well, i think it is, martin. i think you're absolutely right. one more point about mike tyson though, it was right here in las vegas that he did some serious damage to evander holyfield's ear. so i think we're hoping wednesday night's debate doesn't get that ugly. but i think you're right. i think both candidates are really hoping to just walk away from wednesday night unscathed, and that will look like a victory for each of them. on mitt romney's part, his advisers say he has to get more specific about his economic policy. that's what voters want to
governor romney, he's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> nbc's chris tin welker is live and joins us from las vegas not far from henderson, nevada, where the president is preparing for wednesday night. good afternoon, kristin. the last time i heard such a chorus of lowering expectations was when pinklynn thomas got into the ring with tyson only for tyson to land a flurry of 16 punches. is this more about avoiding embarrassment as opposed to landing a killer blow? >> reporter: well, i...
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romney obviously did well enough in the primary debates to make it this far, no doubt. although most of his competition wasn't as tough as president obama. romney also had some memorable moments. >> i'll tell you what. $10,000 bet? >> i'm not in the betting business. >> the answer is self-deportation, which is people decide they can do better by going home because they can't find work here because they don't have legal departmentation to allow them to work here. >> i can't have illegals. rick, i'm speaking. i'm speaking. you get 30 seconds. this is the way the rules work here is i get 60 seconds. and then you get 30 seconds to respond, right? >> well, let's bring in democratic strategist chris ko kofinis and susan del percio. i think romney is going to lose his cool. susan, did governor chris christie think he was helping mitt romney by saying that the debate would just be turning this race upside down? what do you think? >> i think chris christie was just being chris christie. while you're correct, a lot of people were dampening expectations, chris said what a lot of p
romney obviously did well enough in the primary debates to make it this far, no doubt. although most of his competition wasn't as tough as president obama. romney also had some memorable moments. >> i'll tell you what. $10,000 bet? >> i'm not in the betting business. >> the answer is self-deportation, which is people decide they can do better by going home because they can't find work here because they don't have legal departmentation to allow them to work here. >> i...
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what did herman cain think about mitt romney and the debate. he's here live. ♪ atmix of energies.ve the world needs a broader that's why we're supplying natural gas to generate cleaner electricity... that has around 50% fewer co2 emissions than coal. and it's also why, with our partner in brazil, shell is producing ethanol - a biofuel made from renewable sugarcane. >>a minute, mom! let's broaden the world's energy mix. let's go. martha: four years ago she was part of the republican ticket. what did sarah palin think of the first debate of 2012? watch. >> mitt romney what is able to point out so many of these points that's of us in the audience if you will have been longing to hear barack obama be questioned about and have to give answers. barack obama did not have the answers tonight. he didn't have this buddy the teleprompter in front of him writing out -- somebody had written out for him in all these years of being a candidate and the president. the answers. he finally had to be candid and rely on his own lack of experience and knowledge ab
what did herman cain think about mitt romney and the debate. he's here live. ♪ atmix of energies.ve the world needs a broader that's why we're supplying natural gas to generate cleaner electricity... that has around 50% fewer co2 emissions than coal. and it's also why, with our partner in brazil, shell is producing ethanol - a biofuel made from renewable sugarcane. >>a minute, mom! let's broaden the world's energy mix. let's go. martha: four years ago she was part of the republican...
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i don't know what will happen at the debates. >> governor romney is a good debater. i'm just okay. >> the soft performance has gotten so soft it's almost evaporated. but while almost everyone seems to be muting enthusiasm in trying to undersell new jersey governor chris christie is taking a different tack. overselling with gusto. >> come thursday morning, the entire narrative of this race is going to change. we have a candidate that is going to do extraordinarily well on wednesday night. when we get to thursday morning george, you're going to be shaking your head saying it's a brand new race with 33 days to go. >> governor christie right in the sense that romney needs to change the dynamic of the race. a new "washington post"/abc news survey find 5s 5% of voters think the president will win the debates compared to 31% who believe rom wil win. romney adviser tell "the new york times" they're aiming to make the president come off as condescending or smug. that characterized obama's notable gaffe during the 2008 primary when hillary clinton was asked what she would say
i don't know what will happen at the debates. >> governor romney is a good debater. i'm just okay. >> the soft performance has gotten so soft it's almost evaporated. but while almost everyone seems to be muting enthusiasm in trying to undersell new jersey governor chris christie is taking a different tack. overselling with gusto. >> come thursday morning, the entire narrative of this race is going to change. we have a candidate that is going to do extraordinarily well on...
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they are in final preparation for the presidential debate, president obama and mitt romney are going to see the first one right here on wednesday. that debate is coming. and you're going to see where they are in the process of preparing in just a moment. the debates and the election, of course, are serious. and that would be our first story. serious. until we discovered this video, stunning video shot from the helmet of a u.s. soldier, it seems like a video game. but this is not xbox which you're about to see. it is real. the pentagon is telling us it happened, it happened in afghanistan in april. afghanistan is a place we have not heard these candidates talk about much, have we? nothing from romney during the republican convention, very little from obama, especially at the u.n. this last week. the debates will likely be a different story because this weekend the death toll for americans in the war surpassed the 2000 mark. the soldier who made the helmet cam video suffered only minor wounds and has returned to duty. but it's amazing that he suffered only minor wounds when you see thi
they are in final preparation for the presidential debate, president obama and mitt romney are going to see the first one right here on wednesday. that debate is coming. and you're going to see where they are in the process of preparing in just a moment. the debates and the election, of course, are serious. and that would be our first story. serious. until we discovered this video, stunning video shot from the helmet of a u.s. soldier, it seems like a video game. but this is not xbox which...
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mitt romney arriving at the debate hall. we're watching -- we're getting closer and closser to the first debate between president obama and governor romney. people across the country are be watching, but the candidates are most concerned about swaying those battleground state voters who haven't yet made up their minds. cnn has put together a focus group of undecided voters from colorado, the state that's hosting the debate tonight. we're going to be watching their reaction to the candidates in real time. erin burnett is with the focus group over at the university of denver. joining us now. tell us about this focus group. >> wolf, these are people -- look, anyone who is watching, busy, taking time out of your lives to watch this. imagine taking the time to sit in person and dial test this, every word that these candidates say. these are people who are passionate about voting but undecided. a small group of americans very important to sdigd the election. wolf says they are undecided. the other thing about this group of people
mitt romney arriving at the debate hall. we're watching -- we're getting closer and closser to the first debate between president obama and governor romney. people across the country are be watching, but the candidates are most concerned about swaying those battleground state voters who haven't yet made up their minds. cnn has put together a focus group of undecided voters from colorado, the state that's hosting the debate tonight. we're going to be watching their reaction to the candidates in...
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and governor romney is a good debater. he won almost every debate in the republican primaries with the exception i think of south carolina. so i expect that there will be movement. i if there's no movement two or three days after the debate, if those figures in the background states stay the same, it really is over. >> katty, there's constant complains among conservatives about romney. why is he losing? that's been the question all along. here is more of that column i mentioned. it makes you think how far ahead romney would be if he were actually running a campaign. his unwillingness to go big is astonishing. a hit-and-run critique here, slogan of the week there. his only momentum when he chose paul ryan and seemed ready to engage on the big stuff, medicare, kbiemthmentes, but he has retreated to the small and safe. when you're behind, safe is fatal. even his counterpunching has gone miniature. >> this reminds me a little bit of the mccain campaign back in 2008 in those days at the end when you felt like the campaign was g
and governor romney is a good debater. he won almost every debate in the republican primaries with the exception i think of south carolina. so i expect that there will be movement. i if there's no movement two or three days after the debate, if those figures in the background states stay the same, it really is over. >> katty, there's constant complains among conservatives about romney. why is he losing? that's been the question all along. here is more of that column i mentioned. it makes...
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the romney campaign is debating how forcefully to engage the libya issue. some are advising it's good to use as a stand-in for overall failures of the president. romney tries to do that in a wall street op-ed writing disturbing developments are sweeping across the greater middle east, these developments are not, as president obama says, mere bumps in the road. they are major issues that put our security at risk. yet amid this upheaval, our country seems to be at the mercy. >> the response was slow, it was confused. it was inconsistent. they first said it was a youtube video and a spontaneous mob. we now know it was a planned terrorist attack. if this was one tragic incident, that would be a tragedy in and of itself. the problem is it's part of bagger picture of the fact that the obama foreign policy is unraveling lit literally before our eyes an on tvs. >> perhaps it's too rich of a debate target for romney to try not to bring up. that said, and by the way, here's another aspect of this. do you do an op-ed in "the wall street journal" 48 hours before the de
the romney campaign is debating how forcefully to engage the libya issue. some are advising it's good to use as a stand-in for overall failures of the president. romney tries to do that in a wall street op-ed writing disturbing developments are sweeping across the greater middle east, these developments are not, as president obama says, mere bumps in the road. they are major issues that put our security at risk. yet amid this upheaval, our country seems to be at the mercy. >> the response...
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just three days until that crucial first debate between president obama and governor romney. the first chance for voters to see the candidates side by side in what many say is a make-or-break opportunity for governor romney to try to narrow that gap in the polls. tonight both sides in debate prep, both sides trying to lower expectations, but there was a notable exception that one of romney's top supporters predicted on abc's "this week." it's "your voice, your vote," and abc's david kerley starts us off tonight in washington. >> reporter: mitt romney went to church, but this sunday wasn't a day just for prayers. it's preparation. cramming by the candidates for their big debate, and republican chris christie made a bold prediction on abc's "this week." >> every time mitt romney has been confronted in this campaign with one of these moments, he has come through in the debate and performed extraordinarily well, so i have absolute confidence that when we get to thursday morning, george, all of you are going to be shaking your head saying it's a brand-new race. >> reporter: christ
just three days until that crucial first debate between president obama and governor romney. the first chance for voters to see the candidates side by side in what many say is a make-or-break opportunity for governor romney to try to narrow that gap in the polls. tonight both sides in debate prep, both sides trying to lower expectations, but there was a notable exception that one of romney's top supporters predicted on abc's "this week." it's "your voice, your vote," and...
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coming off the debate and the pew poll you now can make the case that mitt romney is the guy who is kind of the energy and enthusiasm candidate. i think some polls will come out in places like ohio, virginia, north carolina, florida, hopefully some independent polls in the next few days that i think will get the measure of how much bounce mitt romney got. if those polls suggest him really closing the margin in those states then i think the romney campaign is really on to something. national polling is great and they're happy to have it, but really the problem they have had in the last six weeks, two months, is electoral vote in the swing states. they need those numbers to move. >> and we are going to have our nbc news/"wall street journal"/marist polls in florida, ohio, and virginia coming out first thing thursday morning. mark you're in chicago, which tells me you've probably been doing a lot of reporting. what are they saying at the obama headquarters? >> well, andrea, i came straight here from the headquarters where i sat down with some of the top officials on the campaign and talked
coming off the debate and the pew poll you now can make the case that mitt romney is the guy who is kind of the energy and enthusiasm candidate. i think some polls will come out in places like ohio, virginia, north carolina, florida, hopefully some independent polls in the next few days that i think will get the measure of how much bounce mitt romney got. if those polls suggest him really closing the margin in those states then i think the romney campaign is really on to something. national...
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from his own debate prep to celebrate romney's debate last night. tonight, new questions about whether or not romney is trying to modify his message a bit with that much larger audience. starting onto a different denver stage today, mitt romney, his sons leading the applause, reveling in their father's debate performance. >> the american people last night were given a choice. >> reporter: just how did romney get ahead last night? by aggressively taking on the president, part of the romney strategy, going into the debate. moments like this one. as the two debated the debt, that bipartisan plan that got nowhere in washington. >> but in my view, the president should have grabbed it, if he wanted to make some adjustments to it, take it, go to congress, fight for it. >> that's what we've done. made some adjustments and we're putting it forward to congress right now. >> but you've been president four years. >> reporter: but on that stage, in front of a much broader audience than usual, romney doing something else last night. appearing more moderate than t
from his own debate prep to celebrate romney's debate last night. tonight, new questions about whether or not romney is trying to modify his message a bit with that much larger audience. starting onto a different denver stage today, mitt romney, his sons leading the applause, reveling in their father's debate performance. >> the american people last night were given a choice. >> reporter: just how did romney get ahead last night? by aggressively taking on the president, part of the...
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nobody's ever accused romney of -- i mean obama of being a great debater. his only eloquence is off the teleprompter, in which he's very good at delivering a set piece, but not in that format. romney, on the other hand, has gotten better and better over several years, and down in florida is a good example of what he did, you know. he's been called everything and faced with every kind of issue imaginable. you know, he's a good debater. so he was on top of his game, and obama just, you know, kind of phoned it in, thought that was all that was necessary. >> calling it winning or losing, making it into a scoring event, and it truly is not. i'm curious, is it that governor romney did such a good job or that president obama was so off his game and lost? or is it substance? >> well, i've always thought that romney was somewhat in a position that ronald reagan was back in 1980, that people were looking for a change. carter had faced all of these difficulties, you know, the iranian hostage, double-digit misery index, in many respects worse situation than obama faces
nobody's ever accused romney of -- i mean obama of being a great debater. his only eloquence is off the teleprompter, in which he's very good at delivering a set piece, but not in that format. romney, on the other hand, has gotten better and better over several years, and down in florida is a good example of what he did, you know. he's been called everything and faced with every kind of issue imaginable. you know, he's a good debater. so he was on top of his game, and obama just, you know, kind...